Throughout the 9 seasons of The Office, Pam Beesly and Jim Halpert’s relationship was pretty conflict-free.
The two had some minor disagreements in early seasons. Things received awkward when Jim began relationship Karen Filippelli. There was additionally that complete growth operator wrench thrown in in the direction of the tip of the collection, however at its core, Jim and Pam’s friendship at all times remained sturdy.
In Season 2, Episode 15, nonetheless, Jim and Pam had their first actual struggle. It was a defining second of their friendship, so Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey determined to unpack it on the most recent episode of their .
For those that want a refresher, the struggle occurred within the “Boys and Girls” episode. Jan Levinson involves Scranton to steer a “Women in the Workplace” seminar, and after Michael feels threatened he decides to carry a seminar for males within the warehouse.
Pam and Jim are separated for almost all of the episode, however when Jim returns to the workplace to make a telephone name Pam excuses herself from her assembly to speak to him.
Pam had simply completed telling the room of girls that she’d at all times dreamed of getting a home with a terrace and pursuing a profession in artwork or graphic design. Jan responded by giving her a pamphlet on a graphic design internship that the company workplace is providing, and means that she contemplate collaborating.
“She very excitedly tells Jim about this internship opportunity,” Fischer explains. “Jim adorably encourages her immediately. He’s like, ‘Well what are the details? I think you should do it.'”
“And she just lights up,” Kinsey mentioned. “She needed someone to give her permission in a way to go for this and Jim immediately did, cause he’s her soulmate.”
It looks as if Pam’s going to pursue the internship alternative, however when she tells Roy about it issues change. “It’s very clear that he’s not supportive,” Fischer mentioned.
The digital camera then cuts to a speaking head the place Pam once more says Scranton most likely would not even have homes just like the one she’s at all times dreamed of. “This metaphor broke my heart,” Kinsey mentioned.
“Pam then is in the kitchen with Jim, and Jim is like, ‘Wait. You’re not gonna take the internship?’ and she’s like, ‘Well like Roy said, there’s no guarantee it’s gonna lead to anything anyways,'” Fischer explains. When Jim highlights Roy’s lack of encouragement, Pam will get indignant. “I was like, OH DANG. Here we go! She’s hurt,” Kinsey mentioned. “And it’s not Jim’s fault, he’s speaking truth.”
“This episode is Jim and Pam’s first fight,” Fischer mentioned. “It’s a real fight.”
“We go back to the talking head and Pam just breaks down,” she defined. “She’s talking about the terrace, but we know what she’s really talking about. She says ‘it’s not practical’ and ‘you’re not going to find that,’ and what she’s really saying is, ‘I’m never gonna have Jim. I’m never gonna have true love. I’m never gonna be who I want to be.'”
“And also that my dreams aren’t valid. I don’t even get to try for my dream. That’s not my path,” Kinsey mentioned.
When Roy crushed Pam’s desires earlier within the episode, Fischer cried such genuine-looking tears that followers wrote into the podcast to ask what she was fascinated with in that second. “Guys, there are times as an actor where your heart just breaks for your character. I just felt her heart breaking and it made my cry,” she defined.
“It’s in the same way where you watch something that makes you cry. I wasn’t thinking about my dead pet or something like that. I was thinking about how it must feel to have someone not encourage you, to feel trapped, and to feel so alone. And I thought about how the one person who was trying to help me I just pushed away,” Fischer continued.
“I think our show had a lot of really relatable moments like that,” Kinsey mentioned. “I know we do these crazy things — like it’s gonna cut to the warehouse and Dwight is making this snow angel out of packing peanuts — but I feel like the heart of our show is just these people living their lives, and their relationships, and I love that we have that balance.”
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